This method transfers heat away from the CPU via the coolant, and the … [–]Orelha1 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children). AIO sometimes is used incorrectly to mean "CLC", but that's not quite accurate and can cause confusion. Say 5 hour gaming session with fans at max. [–]-protonsandneutrons- 15 points16 points17 points 9 months ago (0 children). The notion that full size cases have better temps than sff isn’t true anymore. Would 2x140mm perform better in those situations? I think the main selling point with traditional tower heatsinks is that once they are installed they are trouble free. [–]-protonsandneutrons- 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago* (0 children). No worries. That video clarified a long asked question and I'm thankful for it. Yeah but instead of replacing a couple of dead fans, you face with some fans, a pump, and coolant gunking up or evaporates. Thank you for signing up to Tom's Hardware. I imagine at that kind of heat output (i.e., pinning a 240/280/360 CLC at 90 C is extreme), then the air coolers would fall further behind (10 C to 15 C worse). Air cooling wins in pretty much every way here. EKWaterblocks A water … Where air coolers run into trouble is the sheer mass of a high performance air cooler, coupled with a potentially fraught installation process. Or bring attention to it. I'll bookmark TPU; I hadn't gone there in ages... [–]Ibuildempcs 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). By that logic, a CPU cooler is also adding airflow restrictions. One of my builds has a the NH-D14 running for about 10 years, on 3 new systems now. How do you find building in the SFF? Really excited for that one as I've been really eyeing that cooler since it released. I think these coolers won't have just a 5 C difference across the entire range, honestly. There was a problem. And heat cycling only affects things outside the heatpipe, things the heatpipe is connected to: nothing changes about a heatpipe's functionality when it's 40.0048 cm vs 40.0000 cm. [–]-protonsandneutrons- 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago (1 child). I would imagine it's the same as the GPU is louder, but does anyone have a good source on this? delivers on that pedigree at such a pleasing price point with the Pure Rock 2, it's an undeniable recommendation for serious system builders on any budget. thanks. Do the AIOs move the hot air efficiently outside the cage? Been thinking on doing a mITX build for years now but the top SFF cases are so expensive I just figured putting the money saved towards the GPU is a better investment. I guess a lot of ppl dont have that knowledge, [–]Luxurious_Foam 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago (0 children). ;) Depending on the needs - you pick what suits you best. Note that DeepCool's AS500 is also an excellent alternative for those who don't quite have the room or the budget for a true big air cooler. Enough bloatware everywhere, esp. Best Threadripper Cooler Alternative: Arctic Freezer 50TR. I think this is the only reason I am going to keep sticking with AIO solutions for now. [–]TrikkStar 24 points25 points26 points 9 months ago (3 children). Nothing new happened with the 8K benchmarks. LGR - The smallest Windows PC in 1995 was also a Phone! Best Budget Air Cooler Alternative: Arctic Freezer 34 Esports Duo The last thing I want is pumps failing and liquid leaking. [–]GreenPylons 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (21 children). Ryzen 3000 basically scales below 0°C though. Why? But if you trust that, it means the CPU must be putting out an appreciable amount of power, which makes the 0 K Δ on the GPU implausible. My completely unscientific observations are that I'm getting 5-10c better temps while stress testing my 9900kf (5.0 ghz at 1.325v). That's quite the oversite there Tom's Hardware. Making the case ambient temperature a few degrees warmer makes your GPU a few degrees warmer. [–]Seanspeed 4 points5 points6 points 9 months ago (0 children), [–]fey168 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children). AIOs should have an even larger advantage over air coolers when mounted in a case. Then again I am personally using a 280mm for overclocks and it's really quiet with proper fans. If you’re tight on budget, you will have to go for an air CPU cooler. I think in the long term I am going to get the most value from the Noctua. I've been running a Kraken X61 for five years now. Copper is pretty inert so the boiling water shouldn't be an issue but in sintered designs you are looking at a significant surface area over thousands of hours. [–]Luxurious_Foam -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago (3 children). It punches above its cooling class, delivering excellent temps for its $59.99 MSRP. Warranty usually covers that tho, so it's not a big problem. The intake is outside air and the exhaust is outside air: you can't beat that. Don't quote me until/unless I find the link. Compatible … For Threadripper air cooling, this cooler checks all the boxes for enthusiasts and overclockers alike. And there's an obvious reason for that, too: when we review a video card, it's a one-off instance. But computers are more than CPU temps and 360 radiator spaces - so there is never a air/liquid answer. [–]ASuarezMascareno 21 points22 points23 points 9 months ago (1 child). Should be stated that gunk builds up on the insides of liquid coolers. [–]EitherGiraffe 12 points13 points14 points 9 months ago* (0 children). New York, Hey guys, Just looking at cooling options for my new build (i5 3570k CPU & 7950 GPU). It's just a bit of coal, [–]geniice 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (2 children). [–]Type-21 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). It definitely is an expensive hobby though, but it’s becoming more mainstream with cases like the nzxt h1 and fractal’s failed attempt with the era. Spam and self promotion are not allowed. The whole point with aio is that it you get some bonuses of open loop cooling with the same ease of installment that air coolers offer. NY 10036. The Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 provides whisper-quiet cooling with big league thermal performance – the kind of overclocked Threadripper performance that sneaks into quality 360 AIO cooling performance. Liquid cooling is the best way to cool a CPU because water transfers heat much more efficiently than air. My h100i is 8 years old and still working like the day I bought it. 2%). My friend got an X62, broke within a year and he’s had an air cooler since. But when something catastrophically fails, you obviously want to condemn it. No submissions to streaming sites outside of event megathreads. Someone needs to develop supercritical fluid cooling so we can hate on both sides. [–]Aggrokid 5 points6 points7 points 9 months ago (0 children). Armed with six nickel-plated copper heatpipes and a NF-A15 140mm PWM fan, the AMD-friendly NH-U14S TR4-SP3 is a silent thermal assassin. Choosing between air cooler and AIO liquid cooler can be quite confusing for buyers. [–]VenditatioDelendaEst 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (5 children). I'd rather go with air cooling, something like a 50€ Scythe Fuma 2 is already more than you need in a setup like that. and 'How long until (something obvious) happens?' I got the 360 AIO cooler, it works like a charm. Visit our corporate site. You can setup your CLC such that it always gets fresh outside air, like I said, but then you're dumping the CPU heat into the case which raises the GPU's intake temps. In any way. [–]QuadraKev_ 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children), I guess an open bench doesn't really account for air that can get trapped/recycled in a case, [+]87gsodfybsdfhvgbkdfh comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 9 months ago (9 children). As hardware enthusiasts, we’re often faced with some sort of compromise when decisions must be made around the purchase of specific components, although the Pure Rock 2 keeps those to a minimum. But I've not seen 3-5 years for every AIO as some "blanket" rule. I found the Corsair H80i V2 (49mm thick rad + 2 x 120mm fans / five-year warranty) for ~$60 new on Newegg, which felt like a buy for something definitely better than garbage (though would've preferred a 140mm or 240mm). But no. If they're good and in a good build, AIO CLCs work well. Also not everyone really hears pump noise, some one might not hear anything but I hear that really piercing high pitch always. No self-edtiorialized titles, just copy the title of the site, with the exception of clickbait titles. You guys are slipping. Big air coolers tend to take up more internal space in your PC case, particularly when it comes to vertical clearance off your best motherboard. But yeah poking around the answer appears to be that they last long enough that even embedded systems don't need to worry. ;), [–]ASuarezMascareno 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (6 children). Liquid cooling is capable of absorbing more heat than the standard air-cooling system. Starts here in the video: https://youtu.be/7VzXHUTqE7E?t=1344. [–]-Y0- 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). I mean obviously there's justified reasons for leaving a machine on 24/7(you need remote access or are mining or folding or something), but the electricity costs are real and people are ignorant about them. And even then, it's hardly 1 bin, i.e., 4.6 GHz vs 4.5 GHz (i.e,. Under those condtions, you need to report GPU benchmark results, not temperature. The 10% rule is enforced on /r/hardware; repeat offenders and/or your website or channel may be banned. Rendered by PID 20535 on r2-app-064eb071d180ac51a at 2021-01-09 04:10:17.472428+00:00 running d8cca48 country code: IT. This includes tech support and PC building questions. Best water cooling kit for very small builds. CPU speed won't change unless you get to the ~85C range, which even on an overclocked CPU with a half decent case and cooler is very rare. The most important aspect of a cooling system is its heat dissipation capacity, which CPU makers express as Watts TDP. No, I mean, all the testing is done on open test benches where the fans on the AIO only have to push the air through the rad. The most common failure will be pump failure, but even that isn't that common. Before we even get into the pros and cons of both liquid CPU coolers and air CPU coolers, first we need to discuss some factors you’ll need to consider before you can determine which style cooler is right for you. It was pretty noisy though, so I've been happy with my recent switch to air. Those pumps can’t pass water fast enough or in large quantities as truly needed for extended use. Over the last few years I've noticed a lot of cases just miss out on top mounting radiator compatibility for the sake of a few mm. This includes both posts and comments. On some subs you can still get crucified for suggesting a 240mm CLC when it fact here, it does seem to objectively be a good purchase in some instances. At some point this year I might change my NH15 for a ~$140 AIO, mainly to free the space around the CPU, and I've never been sure on what to choose (been on Noctua for a decade already). Probably gets good money from asetek which is also why they haven’t reviewed the arctic liquid freezer 2’s. [–]Cable_Salad -1 points0 points1 point 9 months ago (0 children). [–]Deemes 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children). How a CPU Cooler Works Both air and liquid CPU coolers operate on a similar principle, and both do essentially the same thing: absorb heat from the CPU and redistribute it away from the hardware. The cheapest AIO liquid cooling setups can cost as much as the best air coolers on the market. [–]stadiofriuli 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children). We’re going to talk about liquid cooling vs air cooling: how they work, the pros and cons of each, and which might be right for your setup. Best PC Cases /r/hardware is not the place to come for help of any kind. Most likely explanation is that the GPU was allowed to self-regulate its clock frequency to take advantage of however much thermal headroom was available. Air Coolers vs AIO Liquid Coolers for CPUs and Processors. Just one more question. As far as I know heat pipes don't fail. Can't even imagine why this important fact is entirely omitted from the article... Err where are the cooling performance comparisons.. is this an opinion or marketing piece? As they heat up, the clockspeeds are adjusted down to compensate. Pure Rock 2, We check over 130 million products every day for the best prices, Intel Rocket Lake-S CPU Skyrockets to 6.9 GHz Under Liquid Nitrogen, Thermaltake's Tower 100 Mini Is a True Showcase, EVGA Demos Liquid-Cooled GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N Hydro Copper, Phytium Develops Eight-Core ARM CPU for Desktops, Thermaltake's Trio of CPU Coolers Tame The Toughest Of CPUs. You need a radiator/heatsink to restrict airflow...so the air can cool the heatsink. Personal anecdote: i bought my Thermalright Macho in 2013. Not really, or maybe if you prefer the aesthetics of an AIO. [–]Isiam 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). [–]Gaffots 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago* (23 children). [–]iopq 39 points40 points41 points 9 months ago (37 children), [–]Gaffots 33 points34 points35 points 9 months ago (35 children). that make an air cooler much simpler overall. And we don't really talk about some of the high-end units that we have in development on test benches haven't failed in six to eight years. [–]Killomen45 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago (0 children). That's not really content. As in how many watts of energy it can dissipate or cool, etc. Their results are incredibly weird. OC running a 9900K(S) can be 200 MHz higher with a custom loop vs high end air cooling even if you aren't running into thermal throttling territory, just because OC stability decreases with higher temperatures. [–]WhatsInaKirth 40 points41 points42 points 9 months ago (1 child). TL; DW, liquid is slightly better per dollar and per normalized noise than air. They do. Would this results hold true inside a case? Best CPU Coolers For You. [–]Pjotrs 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children), And did they say they are? We also recently took a look at revamped old favorite in the budget air cooling realm, Cooler Master's Hyper 212 Evo v2. So yeah, your CPU would be cooled a lot better but the thing that's likely impacting your game performance most (the GPU) will be hotter and slower, edit: consider that today's GPUs are very much thermally limited, they are automatically clocked as high as the drivers think they can go depending on how hot they are. I’d take the 3M novec cooling solution though. I think it goes custom loop > tower > AIO in aesthetics, for me. In a custom loop you can just drain and fix. I have the Liquid Freezer 240 and I was able to find the stats that it is able to dissipate 300 Watts TDP. Top level comments must be substantive and contain more than 20 characters. [–]mytommy 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (4 children), do u have a video link where he explains this, [–]Luxurious_Foam 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children). You should note that the tubing position for AIOs is important for getting rid of pump noise. With twin cooling towers, seven heatpipes and two 140mm fans, the GamerStorm Assassin III from Deep Cool brought us the lowest temperature of big-air coolers. It's a solid low-priced, low-noise cooler at around the same price as the Pure Rock 2, with a simplified installation compared to previous models. Dimensions: 158.8 x 120.1 x 63.5mm | Base Height: 38.1.1mm | Weight: 20.8oz (590g) | Fans: (1) 120 x 25mm | Socket Support: AMD AM3(+), AM4, Intel 115x, 2011x, 2066 | Warranty: 3 years. Permeation isn't a concern, related by GN, until at least 6 years. Often used in sports, [–]RealLifeHunter 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children). I'd be interested to see statistics on AIO & fans failure rates, like there are for hard drives. Well but in an AIO, you can't really easily drain water or replace a pump though right? Did you watch a different video? And without even touching the scaling for price. Might come in the future. I think /u/wankthisway is talking about CLCs; the Aurora 280 is an AIO (i.e,. The Pure Rock 2 represents the same passion around thermal design, silent operation and manufacturing / build quality that has made be quiet! This is truly a "buy it once and it will last you for 20 years" type of product. They mention that liquid cooling is primarily from Asetek/CoolIT, who supply server farms for liquid cooling. [–]buildzoid 56 points57 points58 points 9 months ago (4 children), [–]jtm94 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (3 children). [–]overdark33 7 points8 points9 points 9 months ago (0 children). Their deployments are in the millions and include extreme environments, extreme cold or extreme heat. It's a third of the price of the big Noctua, certainly not a third of the performance, so including them would seem critical to any analysis. Steve goes over this in other GN videos. My antec Kühler 620 has been running for 9 years now. The way for heat pipes to fail is either catastrophic breach or fabrication error. [–]Pro-Evil_Operations 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago* (0 children). [–]MlNDB0MB 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago (0 children). REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 20535 on r2-app-064eb071d180ac51a at 2021-01-09 04:10:17.472428+00:00 running d8cca48 country code: IT. Information like that should be listed in a review like this. The next thing to consider is price. I refuse to touch any software from a consumer PC hardware manufacturer unless absolutely necessary. So, a CLC means you can't change out anything or expand, then, from some definitions I'm reading: CLC = it is a closed loop - meaning no changing of tubing, res, pump, block etc. [–]lamg4 18 points19 points20 points 9 months ago (0 children). Nice. Other factors to keep in mind include aesthetics an… [–]Naekyr 13 points14 points15 points 9 months ago (3 children), Any tempreture difference means different clock speed and that's important for a lot of people, [–]-protonsandneutrons- -2 points-1 points0 points 9 months ago (0 children). Is a cooler that keeps the cpu at 60C really better than a cooler that keeps it at 65C at the same noise level? [–]Luxurious_Foam 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (1 child). [–]Mr_Golf_Club 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (0 children), My Noctua NH-L9x65 fan is by far the quietest cooler I’ve had yet, keeps my i7 in fine temps, and this made a fantastic option for my mini towers that fit perfectly next to the RAM mounts, [–]re_error 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago* (3 children). The "hot" air coming off a front mounted AIO is nowhere near the CPU temperature when the system is under load - typically it's only a few degrees above ambient temperature. But using a specific case would invalidate the result "even more". Liquid Cooling Performance Testing Posted by Brian Nyhuis | Mon, May 01, 2017 - 12:00 PM Jump To: Page 1: Ryzen CPU Cooler vs. Pump noise and it's impact on sound profile is still an issue (also worsens over time), how loud it is is just one aspect. But...how is a radiator adding "further airflow restrictions"? Also added to the original comment, but realized there are no edit notifications: That's much better than most hard drives, i.e., more reliable than any single hard drive tested by Backblaze. Corsair Hydro Series H60. Is it quieter with the AIO, is it the same, or is the AIO louder due to the different type of (pump) noise? You will receive a verification email shortly. So we don't make videos talking about how all of our test benches and all of our production systems have been using liquid coolers since basically forever. I feel better having direct airflow on the VRM, which tower-style coolers don't provide. [–]wankthisway 53 points54 points55 points 9 months ago (70 children). Come on, over 28 minutes just to say that air cooling is better (as in the best buy, which is what 99.99999999% of people mean in the computer world)…. Transcription below because I'm a fucking masochist, starting a bit later: Asetek and CoolIT provide most CLCs and also have units in server farms around the world. The one unexpected positive: because you can mount the AIO anywhere, I mounted it outside the case so the entire case is cold to the touch now (no GPU): intake is "the ambient room air" and it exhausts into "the ambient room air". Liquid cooling is reliable and overall has a low failure rate and most failures are not catastrophic, meaning they don't typically explode and leak in the system. In fact he says so around 4:50. But one of the advantages for liquid cooling is that it's all standardized. [–]Luxurious_Foam 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (1 child). Best Big Air CPU Cooler: Deepcool Assassin III, Best Mid-size Air CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterAir MA410M, Best AMD Threadripper Air CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S, Best Budget Air CPU Cooler: be quiet! Is there any data on the failure rate of heat tubes? I don't think there's any way I'll swap my Dark Rock Pro 4 for any AIOs. In a lot of sff cases like the ncase, ghost, or smxxx you can achieve this pretty well. This is why I went for an AIO. They also take longer to reach steady-state, which can help with bursty loads. [–]PyroKnight 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). Please refresh the page and try again. Granted a bunch of friends including myself helped him build it, but he’s not hardware savvy, [–]owari69 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (1 child). maybe see if these AIO can be even better without better fans. Like my Meshfiy C has room for two 140/120mm fans on top, but not a 280mm AIO as there is not enough clearance, also if you have tall ram even a 240mm cooler could be trouble. Thank God, no. Air coolers, on the other hand, rely on a nearby higher-flow case fan to avoid re-ingesting their own exhaust or warming other components. Offering performance so close to Noctua's flagship is nothing to scoff at. [–]GreenPylons 9 points10 points11 points 9 months ago (1 child). [+]Naekyr comment score below threshold-28 points-27 points-26 points 9 months ago (3 children). ', 'Does a ____ do what I need? This is because unlike in a custom loop, you don’t have a dedicated reservoir so you need to use the radiator as a reservoir. The Cooler Master MasterAir MA410M is our pick for an excellent performing mid-size air cooler, especially considering the aggressively designed exterior shell and the inclusion of addressable RGB lighting from within the cooling tower itself. Maybe a topic for another video. Obviously, air coolers need a supply of fresh air from case fans and will also run hotter in case than on test bench, but you don't really need to run the fans all that much faster in case to achieve roughly the test bench results, whereas on AIO, to overcome the extra resistance of the case, you need to crank the RPM quite a bit, and thus increase the noise quite a lot, to come close to the test bench results (with the stock AIO fans, to make it clear). Yes the AIO is warming up your case slightly but the air it's blowing into the case helps move GPU heat out the back of the case as well. Ah damn, these even more terminology I'm missing I guess. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: The goal of /r/hardware is a place for quality hardware news, reviews, and intelligent discussion. With products like the FUMA around, I have to wonder if AiOs (especially larger 240mm or 360mm models) make sense at all outside of itx builds (or hobbyists wanting supreme performance). Good air coolers are typically a large cube right in the middle of everything and tends to block access to RAM and motherboard headers. I replaced it because I didn’t have AM4 mounting hardware, and I knew it was probably about worn out. [–]GeneticsGuy 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children). It cost me 45 € originally. Supercritical is a state halfway between liquid and gas. One thing I really like about liquid cooling is that you can remove the heat completely from the case (a big benefit for mITX builds), i.e., my radiator is mounted on the outside of my case. Some air coolers even go as far as using fans only designed for that particular cooler, like the DRP4 with its 135mm SW3. You could throw the same fans on the air cooler too for that comparison. [–]Cozmo85 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (0 children). You never need to think about them or worry about replacing them. I run the pump (constant 12 + variable fan speed completely through the UEFI fan control. An AIO is just means "everything you need is included". In the 40 dba chart the best clc was 10 C cooler than the D15, would love to see how much further that can go. Its got larger heatpipes than pretty much every other cooler out there, dunno if it makes a difference though, [–]Pro-Evil_Operations 11 points12 points13 points 9 months ago* (4 children). A liquid cooling system is comprised of one or more water blocks, a radiator, a pump, and a small internal fan. a reputable force of the PC industry. If I recall correctly a question about why cases don't have side intakes nowadays was recently read out on Ask GN and Steve's answer was along the lines of that it was a good idea but it made implementing TG difficult so form above function essentially. Things like the Corsair H100 are examples of these, So that Aurora allows you to swap stuff out. Here's the failure rate of AIOs: 0.25% and dropping, according to Asetek (the employee previously at NZXT). And there are absolutely reasons to go with air cooling: a good entry-level air cooler is typically about $20 less expensive than an entry-level liquid cooler, and has the potential to be quieter to boot. [–]iopq 3 points4 points5 points 9 months ago (16 children), Yeah, the environment can hopefully last until we're dead. $50 on a cooler: agreed, esp. Overall, for this mini-ITX case (9" by 9" by 4.25" / 23cm x 23cm x 11cm), there was no way to adequately cool a i5-8600K quietly without liquid cooling and I'm not spending $150 on a silly custom loop. [–]hst12 2 points3 points4 points 9 months ago (1 child). Maybe I'll try an AIO for my next build. ', 'How much is _____ worth?' [–]Atmosphere91 0 points1 point2 points 9 months ago (0 children). I go for air cooling. Intel CPUs flat out don't care and a 25 to 50 Mhz boost difference on Ryzen might be measurable, but is still functionally equivalent. [–]Kpofasho87 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children), If buildzoid says that honestly that's good enough for me. I know this corsair is one day going to wear out, even if it is 4 or 5 years out. Saying they don't fail is a bit strong of a statement. Dimensions: 158.8 x 132.4 x 58.2mm | Base Height: 37.88mm | Weight: 43.87oz (1247g) | Fans: (2) 120 x 25mm RGB | Socket Support: AMD FM2(+), FM1, AM2(+), AM3(+), AM4, Intel 7115x, 1366, 2011x, 2066 | Warranty: 5 years. AIO water cooling is considered the best for cooling efficiency short of a custom loop, but is it really? [–]wankthisway 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (0 children), [–]-protonsandneutrons- 29 points30 points31 points 9 months ago* (13 children), "Extreme permeation" is expected at 6+ years, not 3-5 years, noted by GN. 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